Active Disinterest (Style)

[Admin]

Someone asked about using a neg as an opener in a recent thread. The reply is: Yes, in fact you MUST neg to open sometimes or you won't get in. In the scene I've been sarging in lately, with highly socially proofed girls who are 9s and 10s, negs are the ONLY way to open. I'll explain in a mini FR below. It's unbelievable: every girl assumes anything you say (opinion openers, C&F, whatever) is hitting on her, because she's so used to it.
So the best way to sarge is to have:
Social Proof
A Good Looking Pivot
Neg right away--make her NOT like you first.
I've found that with an HB, if you can get her to NOT like you and then REFRAME and get her to really like you within a couple minutes, you are so IN it's ridiculous.
I recently had an epiphany, and I'll share it here: I realized that I have been doing something REALLY wrong for a while. Normally, in a strip club or at a party with a SHB, I'd just ignore her. Then, after some time, I'd eventually work my way around to doing my material.
But, what works with these girls, is conveying ACTIVE DISINTEREST. And this doesn't mean just throwing a neg in there. It means totally being obnoxious and rude to them. The challenge is that, as soon as you meet one of these girls, you MUST talk right away. But for most of these girls, simply talking to them is an IOI in itself. So you must give them an active IOD. I've realized that the steps are this to get in -- and this is all pre-opener.
I. You must come in strong, with great body language, and be so non-needy. You must totally shoot her down before she even opens her mouth. This means not ignoring her, but talking instantly and talking down to her.
II. Then a shit test will follow. You must pass this. And to do it you must not backtrack on your earlier statement. You may reframe it, but you can not under any circumstances take it back or apologize for it.
III. Once you pass the shit test, you are pretty much in. Here you can reframe your relationship ("we are so different" -- pacing --- "we're like two characters in a romantic comedy, like Audrey Hepburn and Cary Grant" -- reframing.
IV. Now you can go into your opener.
I've just noticed with socially proofed hottie actress/models wanna-bes, their self-esteem is simultaneously SUPER-LOW and SUPER-HIGH at the same time. And this is a huge epiphany, because you must feed into her low self esteem without triggering her high self-esteem. If you let her know she has you, you've lost.
This has been on my mind lately because I had two interesting experiences the other day.
I. I was introduced to a hottie. I started to demonstrate value, and she just was not listening. It wasn't going in her ears. I walked away and started talking to her friends. Again, without being rude at all, they just were NOT listening --- even though moments before we had all exchanged names and been introduced. (In retrospect, I should have just CALLED THEM on their shitty manners.)
II. I was introduced to another hottie a 9.5. Within minutes, I called her retarded. She got pissed. I did my teasing is affection routine. She was still pissed. I told her "I refuse to apologize, it's the way I am. Everyone is my bratty little sister until they prove otherwise." She was still arguing with me. So I said, "I'll tell you what. Let's start all over....Hi, I'm Style." Then we fluffed (and I did the Cary Grant line). But the interesting thing is that she would have had ZERO interest in fluffing with me if I hadn't totally insulted her and passed her shit test first. Later, she was all over me, and hinted that I should get her number. I completely ignored her hint. Then later she just gave it to me.
So, anyway, I'd like to disuss other ways of conveying ACTIVE DISINTEREST. Especially casual openers and neg openers, like that old FR when I asked the HB10 and 11 if their hair was real, LOL. Would love to hear other ideas!

[RiVaL]

Originally Posted by Admin

Someone asked about using a neg as an opener in a recent thread. The reply is: Yes, in fact you MUST neg to open sometimes or you won't get in. In the scene I've been sarging in lately, with highly socially proofed girls who are 9s and 10s, negs are the ONLY way to open. I'll explain in a mini FR below. It's unbelievable: every girl assumes anything you say (opinion openers, C&F, whatever) is hitting on her, because she's so used to it.
So the best way to sarge is to have:
Social Proof
A Good Looking Pivot
Neg right away--make her NOT like you first.
I've found that with an HB, if you can get her to NOT like you and then REFRAME and get her to really like you within a couple minutes, you are so IN it's ridiculous.
I recently had an epiphany, and I'll share it here: I realized that I have been doing something REALLY wrong for a while. Normally, in a strip club or at a party with a SHB, I'd just ignore her. Then, after some time, I'd eventually work my way around to doing my material.
But, what works with these girls, is conveying ACTIVE DISINTEREST. And this doesn't mean just throwing a neg in there. It means totally being obnoxious and rude to them. The challenge is that, as soon as you meet one of these girls, you MUST talk right away. But for most of these girls, simply talking to them is an IOI in itself. So you must give them an active IOD. I've realized that the steps are this to get in -- and this is all pre-opener.
I. You must come in strong, with great body language, and be so non-needy. You must totally shoot her down before she even opens her mouth. This means not ignoring her, but talking instantly and talking down to her.
II. Then a shit test will follow. You must pass this. And to do it you must not backtrack on your earlier statement. You may reframe it, but you can not under any circumstances take it back or apologize for it.
III. Once you pass the shit test, you are pretty much in. Here you can reframe your relationship ("we are so different" -- pacing --- "we're like two characters in a romantic comedy, like Audrey Hepburn and Cary Grant" -- reframing.
IV. Now you can go into your opener.
I've just noticed with socially proofed hottie actress/models wanna-bes, their self-esteem is simultaneously SUPER-LOW and SUPER-HIGH at the same time. And this is a huge epiphany, because you must feed into her low self esteem without triggering her high self-esteem. If you let her know she has you, you've lost.
This has been on my mind lately because I had two interesting experiences the other day.
I. I was introduced to a hottie. I started to demonstrate value, and she just was not listening. It wasn't going in her ears. I walked away and started talking to her friends. Again, without being rude at all, they just were NOT listening --- even though moments before we had all exchanged names and been introduced. (In retrospect, I should have just CALLED THEM on their shitty manners.)
II. I was introduced to another hottie a 9.5. Within minutes, I called her retarded. She got pissed. I did my teasing is affection routine. She was still pissed. I told her "I refuse to apologize, it's the way I am. Everyone is my bratty little sister until they prove otherwise." She was still arguing with me. So I said, "I'll tell you what. Let's start all over....Hi, I'm Style." Then we fluffed (and I did the Cary Grant line). But the interesting thing is that she would have had ZERO interest in fluffing with me if I hadn't totally insulted her and passed her shit test first. Later, she was all over me, and hinted that I should get her number. I completely ignored her hint. Then later she just gave it to me.
So, anyway, I'd like to disuss other ways of conveying ACTIVE DISINTEREST. Especially casual openers and neg openers, like that old FR when I asked the HB10 and 11 if their hair was real, LOL. Would love to hear other ideas!

This is all good information..
What about ignoring the HB10's
and flirting with all the other women
except her..haha..

[Von_Halen]

hahaha. This is a great post, I love it. From one Neil to another, haha.

I was at a party, and the hottest girl i'd ever seen on campus came in (She was actually from a different college). She was walking in between two friends of mine (A girl was walking in front of her, and a guy in behind her). I gave the girl in front of her a big hug, got all excited, then she was next in line, so:

I grabbed her shoulders and moved her out of the way and said "Stay out of my way sunshine" and then went "RYANNN!!!" and hugged him hahahaha. Her jaw DROPPED. But i had her the whole night after that

[kodax]

[QUOTE=Von_Halen;156413"Stay out of my way sunshine" [/QUOTE]

omg dude i love that. i am sure i will be using that...

[spy]

exelent info guys! I need some help to round of my neg opener.
winter opener (catch her when she's smiling)

pua: you don't realy look like somebody who showers alot.

Hb:WTF!!

Pua: by the looks of your smile you must have had a nice hot bath tonight!

Hb: smiles (shit phase pased)

Hb: what ever!

pua: not a great one but a smile atleast!

[arkangel]

I had read this post quite some time ago and actually found it
pretty useful since I have encountered some girls in my country with a
SUPER
inflated ego who, like style says, think or suppose you're hitting
on them just b/c you talked to them.
Sometimes you're just befriending them or just in the mood for
chatting and they act very bitchy and blow you out or they
just Eject you w/o even saying "bye" . The worst part here is
that many times they're not even real 9's or 10's like the ones
style might have encountered, but are actually just 7's or
8's at most, but b/c of the amount of AFCs complimenting all
the time and idolizing them they get to believe theyre actually
the Sh***.

winter opener (catch her when she's smiling)

pua: you don't realy look like somebody who showers alot.

Hb:WTF!!

Pua: by the looks of your smile you must have had a nice hot bath tonight!

Hb: smiles (shit phase pased)

Hb: what ever!

pua: not a great one but a smile atleast!

Not really sure about this opener here. Imagine you tell
a girl who actually doesn't shower too much, she will get
offended a lot. Body odor and bad breath are actually
things you should consider not using as negs. I even have
a hard time even telling ppl about their bad odor b/c it
can be a very embarassing thing.

Anyway, nice post Style(if you still get to read this),
very useful to know when addressing SHB's. Still have to
do some research on the Cary Grant line though. Never saw that
comedy. :P
Regards and happy hunting!