Asperger's syndrome (social robot) PUAs?

[Never Shaken]

Originally Posted by yonny

In the book "The complete guide to aspergers syndrome" Tony Attwood says that social skills can be taught using what looks a lot like mystery method.

Cool. Did you know that even Wikipedia thinks that things with only 1 source aren't worth shit? Especially when that source brands itself as the "complete guide" to anything, and is only 397 pages long.

Originally Posted by yonny

Example: do this and she'll be thinking this. She thinks this and that. Etc.

Cool man.

If you think that's all the MM is, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of MM

If you think that's actually used for helping people with Asperger's learn, then you know nothing about how people with Asperger's are taught.

Originally Posted by yonny

If 1/250 people

ONE IN TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY? HOLY FUCK THAT'S A HIGH ESTIMATE.

Even the most aggressive estimates (and Asperger's is considered to be one of the most over diagnosed mental disorders in existence) barely get up there.

Originally Posted by yonny

have asp and say half of them want to get laid

HALF? Where the fuck are you getting these numbers from? If you had said 1 in 10 I might have given you the benefit of the doubt, but even that's pushing it.

Originally Posted by yonny

(why would the others not want to?

Some have no desire intrinsically, and almost all of the rest don't care because of being conditioned to not care their entire lives, as I pointed out above.

"Why would some believe that Yahweh came out of nothing and created everything and refuse to believe that it was actually Odin that did it no matter how many times I point out to them that it says in the Poetic Edda?" Because they've spent their whole lives being taught that, and you're using shitty evidence to try to sway their perception of reality.

Originally Posted by yonny

they just don't want to admit it).

Or, you know, they have a mental disorder that affects their perception of social situations and makes them not care.

Originally Posted by yonny

Say you get $50 for each aspie you teach

Then you're operating at a loss and the company will be out of money within the first year.

Originally Posted by yonny

to become a pua. Thats 1/500 people. With like a billion people who can actually afford $50, that's a lot of money.

And that's even more expense. But me and my business degree (with a minor in economics) don't know anything about business and economics, right?

Originally Posted by yonny

And the marketing goes something like this:
Got asp? Not getting laid? Do you learn social skills intellectually?
Here's the complete method for getting from the simplest theory of mind (mindreading) skills and how to be friendly to pickup routines and female psychology.

I think I saw an ad on a porn site that went something like that. Guess what? I didn't click it.

[yonny]

When it comes to trust in sources I'll continue trusting amazon's best selling author on aspergers instead of guy on forum.

You said something interesting about aspie sexuality. Where I'm from aspies aren't taught not to have sex. Are they in the states?

I think the evolutionary need for sex is like the need for food. Perhaps many aspies say they don't care much about sex but I don't think the lack of this evolutionary need causes the lack of sex - I think its the other way around; aspies don't get sex hence they say they don't want it. But they'll still jack off while wishing they had a pretty lady.

On the business idea... Sex sells, especially if its not a $200 deodorant for neurotypicals but instead a complete course for those who require such courses to get beyond saying "hey wanna fuck?". So yeah, if 10 000 aspies say they finally lay the hottest chicks using a pickup course you got a billion dollar idea.

[Never Shaken]

Originally Posted by yonny

When it comes to trust in sources I'll continue trusting amazon's best selling author on aspergers

Argumentum ad populum

Originally Posted by yonny

instead of guy on forum.

Isn't that funny, because that's EXACTLY what you are.

Originally Posted by yonny

You said something interesting about aspie sexuality. Where I'm from aspies aren't taught not to have sex.

Are you actually that stupid that you misinterpreted me clearly saying that people learn from their environment as "School's teach people with Asperger's to not reproduce".

P.S. as I said before, if you ACTUALLY had Asperger's syndrome you wouldn't be referring to yourself by the derogatory term "aspie".

Originally Posted by yonny

Are they in the states?

"I don't believe you. You must live in [insert name of country that I don't like]."

Seriously?

Originally Posted by yonny

I think the evolutionary need for sex is like the need for food.

Yes. It's also on the same level as the need for sleep in both Maslow's hierarchy of needs AND ERG theory, and yet there are disorders like insomnia that disrupt that (actually, that's a bad example, that just stops it from .

But you're not looking at it from that angle. You're misinterpreting Maslow's hierarchy of needs and thinking that everything on the base level is something that you need to do to survive because you need food to survive. That is incorrect. F is part of M and S is part of M, but S is not F.

Originally Posted by yonny

Perhaps many aspies say they don't care much about sex but I don't think the lack of this evolutionary need causes the lack of sex

I'm sorry, are you trying to say that the fact that the population as a whole needs sex to continue means that some people not caring about sex is preposterous? Because if so, all the bees on the planet have something to say to you.

Originally Posted by yonny

- I think its the other way around; aspies don't get sex hence they say they don't want it.

hurr durr NO FUCKING SHIT. I've said that that is a contributing factor how many times? Stephen Hawking doesn't get to dance at clubs, so he doesn't care about it.

You're just continuing to show that you aren't reading the posts that you're trying to disprove.

Originally Posted by yonny

But they'll still jack off while wishing they had a pretty lady.

Now you're making wild assumptions. Does Stephen Hawking sit around trying to rock his chair wishing he could go to clubs and dance? Because that must be true by your logic.

Originally Posted by yonny

On the business idea... Sex sells,

This just in, porn shop set up inside a nunnery. Fails to make a single sale.

Originally Posted by yonny

especially if its not a $200 deodorant for neurotypicals but instead a complete course for those who require such courses to get beyond saying "hey wanna fuck?".

Oh wow. Did you know that VA currently charges $3000 for two days of training? That's A LOT more than your "$50 for a week of training" idea.

Originally Posted by yonny

So yeah, if 10 000 aspies say they finally lay the hottest chicks using a pickup course you got a billion dollar idea.

$1,000,000,000 / 10,000 = $100,000

So you're charging more than university for each person, and that's assuming that you mean "a billion dollar idea" in REVENUE, not profit. That'll DEFINITELY go over well.

[yonny]

Aspies give up sex because theyre not getting any.

But if you made a video/audio/text course that teaches aspies how to get some, they'd all of a sudden get an interest in sex.

Like if you gave Stephen Hawking a working body he'd go dance (if dancing was a universal need for anyone part of evolution).

I rather use the word "asp" and "aspie" instead of "Asperger's syndrome" and "person with Asperger's syndrome". The shorter words sound less derogatory to me. But go ahead and write 30 letters instead of 5.

[Never Shaken]

Originally Posted by yonny

Aspies give up sex because theyre not getting any.

1. Once again, you demonstrate that you are incapable of reading the posts that you are responding to.

2. You continue to use derogatory language (calling people "aspies"), which is against this forum's rules.

3. That's some of them. Some of them are just legitimately not interested.

4. By your logic Fred from the first season of The Pickup Artist shouldn't have cared at all.

Originally Posted by yonny

But if you made a video/audio/text course that teaches aspies how to get some, they'd all of a sudden get an interest in sex.

VA already sells that. How do you propose that they market it towards people with Asperger's without alienating their already existing market (BTW, two of the ways you suggested are financially infeasible, and one of them is already used by spam ads on porn sites very unsuccessfully)

Originally Posted by yonny

Like if you gave Stephen Hawking a working body he'd go dance (if dancing was a universal need for anyone part of evolution).

I'm not Stephen Hawking, however I can't help but think that if his body was suddenly fully functioning, he'd want to continue his research.

Originally Posted by yonny

I rather use the word "asp" and "aspie" instead of "Asperger's syndrome" and "person with Asperger's syndrome". The shorter words sound less derogatory to me. But go ahead and write 30 letters instead of 5.

Alright, but you should really stay consistent with that then. Replace "black person" with "nigger", "Asian person" with "chink", "Jewish person" with "kike", etc.

What's that? That's not only not socially acceptable, but is also not allowed by this forum's rules? Wow, who would have thought?

Stop self diagnosing yourself, stop trying to get a company to change it's entire business model, and stop using derogatory language.

If you're so sure that this is a GREAT business idea, go invest your own money in it. It's easy to tell other people what to do with their money.

[yonny]

So would you say Stephen Hawking would sit as much as he does today if he had a fully functioning body?

Most aspies, whom also feel hunger and the need to sleep, feel the sex drive. They just haven't told you about it.
(People with insomnia want to sleep but can't, hence they buy sleeping pills - aspies want to have sex but lack the knowledge of how to get there.)

I came up with an idea: pickup courses for aspies. I published the idea here - it's up for grabs.
Like let's say mystery does a season of the pickup artist only for aspies. He'd have to teach them stuff like "hold eye contact for 4 seconds, then look away". It'd be a long season but it'd uncover all there is to social skills.

Most people don't know that aspie is a derogatory term. Hence it isnt. There are also additional benefits of saying "asp":
- people overhearing don't hear "ass-berger's syndrome" which sounds like your ass fell off. If you say "I've got asp" they might congratulate you and ask what asp is. Hence it's less derogatory than some "syndrome".

The term "asperger's syndrome" was invented after WW2 (during which nazis hunted aspies). There has never been a time when aspies were enslaved and they're masters called them "aspies" as a derogatory term. It's just that some idiots think abbriviations are derogatory and try to impose that linguistic rule on everyone else.

[Never Shaken]

Originally Posted by yonny

So would you say Stephen Hawking would sit as much as he does today if he had a fully functioning body?

Most aspies, whom also feel hunger and the need to sleep, feel the sex drive. They just haven't told you about it.
(People with insomnia want to sleep but can't, hence they buy sleeping pills - aspies want to have sex but lack the knowledge of how to get there.)

I came up with an idea: pickup courses for aspies. I published the idea here - it's up for grabs.
Like let's say mystery does a season of the pickup artist only for aspies. He'd have to teach them stuff like "hold eye contact for 4 seconds, then look away". It'd be a long season but it'd uncover all there is to social skills.

Most people don't know that aspie is a derogatory term. Hence it isnt. There are also additional benefits of saying "asp":
- people overhearing don't hear "ass-berger's syndrome" which sounds like your ass fell off. If you say "I've got asp" they might congratulate you and ask what asp is. Hence it's less derogatory than some "syndrome".

The term "asperger's syndrome" was invented after WW2 (during which nazis hunted aspies). There has never been a time when aspies were enslaved and they're masters called them "aspies" as a derogatory term. It's just that some idiots think abbriviations are derogatory and try to impose that linguistic rule on everyone else.

Yay, Godwin's law.

You're going in circles, so lets just cut right back to the issue.

You (someone who self diagnosed yourself with Asperger's) after reading A book on Asperger's, are suggesting that a company change their ENTIRE business model in order to market themselves specifically to people with Asperger's, all while saying that people reading this thread have no reason to trust some random "guy on forum", and that they should instead put their faith in "amazon's best selling author on aspergers" (who I have not seen make a single comment in this thread BTW). This is all happening while someone who has worked with people who have Asperger's for YEARS and was himself diagnosed with Asperger's at one point (it is currently believed to be a false positive) is telling you that self diagnoses is HIGHLY unreliable (for various reasons).

Oh, and while you're doing all this you are using derogatory language and calling fellow form members "idiots" for pointing out that you are using derogatory language.

[yonny]

We already had the "are you officially diagnosed?" discussion in the first few posts. I am officially diagnosed, hence reading the book on asp was like getting a cold read of really private stuff. I believe you can make a self-diagnosis by learning a lot about the syndrome.

How many people would you say consider "aspie" a derogatory term? In Sweden: none. Furthermore there is no reason for it to be a derogatory term because there hasn't been that history. It's idiots whom realize that the long word "african american" and the n-word refer to the same thing, and hence generalize to saying all abbriviations are derogatory.
This in turn causes a split in the population: a majority is okay with saying "asp" and "aspie" because its shorter and sounds more friendly than "asperger's syndrome". Then a minority of the population - the abbriviation hunters - tell the aspies that "asp" is a derogatory term which can confuse them if people keep saying "aspies" in a friendly way.

Whos in the wrong? The abbriviation hunters.

[azazels_wolf]

Since yonny himself identifies as an "aspie", I don't think he intended to use this term in a derogatory manner. Some find it derogatory and some do not, but I see no negative intention at the beginning of this discussion.

Yonny, if you want training tailored to your specific needs, I am sure Venusian Arts could accommodate you. PM subzero if you'd like more info.

However, it is clear that you and Never Shaken have some major disagreements, and you both may simply have to agree to disagree on these issues rather than drifting into unnecessary hostility. Please review the forum Guidelines for Posting and Behavior in the FAQ and remember to follow those guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.