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IntuitOwl · #1 09-12-2007, 11:09 AM

Personality Type and Pick-Up: An Introduction

This particular post will serve as a quick introduction to a very powerful tool based on the theories of Carl Jung. It is a test that identifies your personality in terms of favored psychological funtions (extraversion vs. introversion, intuition vs. sensory, etc.). American and Japanese corporations use it to identify the strengths and weaknesses of their employees. The Catholic Church and marriage counselors use it to identify potential problems caused by personality differences. Psychiatrists use it to “mirror” the attitudes of their patients. NASA uses it. Colleges and career counselors use it to identify potential majors and careers for students.

Pick Up Artists can use it to (1) build strong identities outside the field, (2) develop their own in-field interaction styles, and (3) orient themselves to a woman’s values and the lifestyle (in this case, the activities she prefers to do for fun when she’s with a man).

The test I’m talking about is called the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator.

The Greeks gave us the wise saying, “Know Thyself” and in Pick-Up, this tenet is essential. If you don’t know yourself you can’t build a strong and unique identity nor can you achieve self-actualization (a state of being at the top of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs—Mystery talks about in his book). How can you begin to learn about yourself? By identifying the traits that characterize your persona (the self you are most comfortable projecting into the world).

Very briefly, here are some questions you should ask yourself (these only scrape the surface. The actual test has over 60 questions. I recommend you take it. Begin with the free ones online).

1. Are you an extravert (E) or an introvert (I)?

Do not confuse introversion with shyness or extraversion with chattiness. Extraverts draw energy from being around others and interacting with the external world. Introverts draw energy from contemplation and solitude. Both can and often do cross from one to the other, though everyone prefers one over the other just as some of us are left-handed or right-handed.

2. Are you an intuitive (N) or a sensor (S)?

This function determines with how we perceive the world. Intuitives are big-picture people who are future-oriented and think in terms of possibilities and connections. They are imaginative, creative, global thinkers who would rather ask “what if” instead of “what is.” Sensors, on the other hand, are literal-minded, specific, practical and realistic. They live in a world of concrete facts and truths and they rely mostly on experience rather than theory. They are the people who keep both feet on the ground while asking the intuitive daydreamer to get his or her head out of the clouds. When asked what time it is, an intuitive might say “Around noon” or “early afternoon” whereas a sensor will say “12:00” or “12:05.” Remember, this is only a preference. Both types use their less preferred functions every day.

3. Are you a feeler (F) or a thinker (T)?

This function determines how a person is most comfortable making decisions. Both types try to make rational choices based on how they perceive the world (S or N) and both are just as likely to make decisions either methodically or impulsively (in other words, feelers are not necessarily more impulsive and thinkers are not necessarily more rational). Feelers try to ‘walk in another person’s shoes’ when they make decisions. They are empathetic, people-driven, value-conscious and they desire harmony. Studies show that 60% of women are feelers while 40% of men are thinkers (possibly because of cultural selection mechanisms, though that is a controversial theory). Thinkers are more objective and logical. They care more about whether something makes sense, has worked in the past or is more efficient rather than how it affects people or how other feel about it. Thinkers do care about these things, however, and they do have feelings. They are not “rational robots” just as feelers are not “bleeding heart emotionalists”).

4. Are you a judger (J) or a perceiver (P)?

This is an *attitude* and is perhaps the most noticeable. It is your way of making decisions. Your lifestyle is a result of your preference for either P or J. This function determines how you like to get things done in the outside (extraverted) world. Judgers are very time-conscious. They like to start tasks well ahead of a deadline and they like to plan, organize and structure their lives. They sometimes appear rigid/inflexible, neurotic, dependable, neat and decisive. Judgers are more comfortable once a decision has been made. Perceivers are the opposite; they prefer to leave things open for further contemplation and input, they like the energy they get right before a deadline, and they respond better to last-minute changes. They are more comfortable before a decision has been made and are often seen as messy, scatter-brained, free-spirited, leisurely, flexible and easy-going. Remember, one is no better than the other. They both have strengths and weaknesses given the situation.

DISCLAIMER: Personality type is hard to read in the field. People are often on guard or have developed different habits and attitudes that they “wear” in social settings. Therefore, personality type will help in TWO ways. It will help you BEFORE you get in the field by helping you understand your identity and your interaction style and it will help you AFTER you’ve attracted a woman and have already begun to build comfort. It will not be very useful in building attraction in-field since that is more a matter of confidence, body language and delivery of canned-material (though personality type can determine the kinds of canned material you’re more comfortable using and what is most likely running through the target’s head as you are delivering it).

For building attraction, we have Mystery’s method. And thank God for it.

BUT…how do you mirror someone’s values? How do you know what kinds of dates she will enjoy most? How can you modify your persona (your projection of self, not your personality—you’re born with that) to fit hers so that she will consider you a potential boyfriend or even soul mate? For that you need to go deep into her psyche where the core of her personality lies and, once there, you’ll need to flip her “value switches” just as Mystery’s method teaches you to flip her “attraction switches.”

I'm going to keep exploring this, but if anyone has any ideas of their own how this influences attraction and seduction and, especially, the ensuing relationships, I'd love to hear them.

Stay tuned.

Cedar · #2 09-12-2007, 12:00 PM

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BUT…how do you mirror someone’s values? How do you know what kinds of dates she will enjoy most? How can you modify your persona (your projection of self, not your personality—you’re born with that) to fit hers so that she will consider you a potential boyfriend or even soul mate? For that you need to go deep into her psyche where the core of her personality lies and, once there, you’ll need to flip her “value switches” just as Mystery’s method teaches you to flip her “attraction switches.”

You're proposing we change who we are based on someone we just met? No thanks. I'll be me. And she'll be sucked into the experience.

As for the rest of this post.... I can cold read a dozen girls with the SAME read and everyone of them will react like I know some deep secret they've never told anyone.

Please stop over thinking this stuff. And go talk to girls.

IntuitOwl · #3 09-12-2007, 12:09 PM

Nah, you didn't read it right. I was talking about your persona not who you are. PUA's do it all the time. They act like extraverts. They force themselves to approach groups and chat them up, which can be exhausting. They modify their persona by peacocking and being outgoing when for some (maybe even most) they are more comfortable being quiet or reserved.

See what I mean?

IntuitOwl · #4 09-12-2007, 12:45 PM

Hey Cedar, I notice you reply to pretty much all the threads and yet you keep telling people to go out and "talk to girls." Have you discovered a way to read every post and talk to girls at the same time? That's pretty sweet. I wish I could do that.

Cedar · #5 09-12-2007, 12:57 PM

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Hey Cedar, I notice you reply to pretty much all the threads and yet you keep telling people to go out and "talk to girls." Have you discovered a way to read every post and talk to girls at the same time? That's pretty sweet. I wish I could do that.

I work a very long shift in a very anti social environment. I'll be at happy hour in 3 short hours.... until then. I beat you up for thinking too much.

IntuitOwl · #6 09-12-2007, 01:06 PM

Yeah I work in legal proofreading which means long stretches with nothing to do. Also, I feel like all I do is talk to girls. But I don't try and pick them up because I have a girlfriend. One I actually care about, surprisingly enough.

Actually I met her at a bar though it was through a mutual friend. I negged her when I found out she works for one of the investment banks here in Manhattan. I told her that a lot of my graduating class went into finance and that it's a dry lifestyle. Bankers, I told her, don't know how to have fun.

She responded with "I have fun!" and then she proceeded to qualify her life outside of work.

Hey Cedar, how often do you go sarging by yourself? If you do, are there any drawbacks? My friends either have girlfriends, don't know how to wing, or are too poor to go to bars and clubs here in New York.

Cedar · #7 09-12-2007, 02:19 PM

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Hey Cedar, how often do you go sarging by yourself? If you do, are there any drawbacks? My friends either have girlfriends, don't know how to wing, or are too poor to go to bars and clubs here in New York.

I make it a point to open a few sets when I go out with a group by peeling off on my own. The only guys I wing well with don't live here. So yeah.... I only sarge solo.... but I bring social proof with me.

Hit happy hour with a large enough group that your presence doesn't need to be constant. Make sure your group is having fun. And everyone can see it. Sets open just fine.

Pick a regular club you like and get to know the staff. Most DJs have guest lists, and most clubs encourage regulars by handing out VIP cards. I can get a group of people into our usual club most Fri/Sat nights for free.

Also look into in town limo service. We've got a guy here that charges $20 for downtown service. You pull up in a limo and you should get into smaller clubs for free.

Myth · #8 09-13-2007, 08:47 AM

I've been associating with a lot of people who specialize in personality types lately, particularly as they relate to physiology (I have friends who can literally just look at someone and tell what their dominant senses are, chemicals of choice etc. based on their body structure), so this is interesting.

Some of the reading I've done of late relates to facial typing, again, the appeal is you can determine qualities of an individual's personality simply by their facial structure. Each of these helps to eliminate concerns raised by the need to read individuals in the field.

As some of my friends have been quick to point out, it's just one layer. Body type might indicate certain tendencies, but these are just tendencies and other factors create other tendencies so we're exploiting something we know to our advantage, but it isn't a complete picture. This also isn't the same as eliciting values, which are likewise, quite important if it is handled well.

I think one of the primary interests arises out of understanding how people communicate. For example, what's the dominant sense? Do they tend to process information visually, kinesthetically, in an auditory, or digital manner? My understanding is later NLP studies suggested a combination works better than addressing one particular sense, even if it is the most dominant sense. Which brings me to my point, often we communicate with others in the way we find most pleasing, but good communicators naturally build elements from each group into their communications. For example, in hypnotism we talk about multi-sensory indeo sensory trances. If you are addressing a group using only one sense, you won't connect with the whole audience, if you can tap each of the senses, information processing, and learning styles you can connect with everyone. I'd be interested in hearing about these particular personality types in terms of seeding. I know true colors is about what's needed to advance self esteem in terms of Maslow's heirarchy.

Here are some thoughts:

1. Process types: Kinesthetic, visual, auditory, digital
2. Element styles: Leadership, connection, inspiration
3. Love languages: Touch, quality time, gifts, acts of service, spoken words

I'm skeptical about many personality typing methods because in my experience they change, for example, true colors doesn't apply consistently, nor do Keirsey's results, which are behavioral...however, because we all tend to have some aspects within us, understanding how people relate to and communicate on the various levels allows us to communicate more effectively and relationships of any kind are at their basis a question, simply, of communication. Communicate value, interest, intent, authenticity etc.

sigma · #9 09-13-2007, 08:56 AM

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