Field Report, East Village Manhattan

[Stander]

I'm new to this game. In March I bought Mystery's Venusian Arts handbook as well as David DeAngelo's book. I got a stylish fohawk haircut, got black leather shoes that were very stylish, Express Jeans, an H and M blazer and a tight Express tee shirt (like David DeAngelo says, look good) and I work out and am a muscular 182 pounds at 5'10 and a half inches in height at 23 years of age.

From what I understand of the M3 model, as attract, comfort, seduce.

The openers last night, I used were style's "I can only stay for a second before I get back to my friends over there, but my friend (pointing to a hipster friend who works at MTV) is really into 80's music and just got two dogs, he wants to name them Duran Duran. Do you think that's strange?" Then I went on to use a second, "My other friend over there is also interested in acquiring a pet, I'm sorry, i have to get going, but, do you think its possible to potty train a penguin? Because my friend over there saw a documentary in japan where a penguin brought a faimly fish in a back pack and he found this store that sells them..." One girl last night, very unattractive who I used for a warm up told me that I was lieing and that her advertising firm couldn't buy a penguin for her symbol and walked away. Another girl, about a seven and cuter said to me "Did you practice that in front of the mirror so you could use it on girls?" I responded to this by keeping a straight face and poiting to my friends hipsters clothing as evidence that they were "into 80's music." I also told her that if those were lines to pick up girls, that would be bizzare at best. She also seemed un interested. and began dancing with her friends again.

I'm of course doing something wrong. I've practiced these lines a bit so I seem congruent, but i noticed that they did not seem to stir up much conversation or get me to "hook." Do you guys have any advice you could throw at this newbie AFC?

[Stander]

BTTT,

Guys, I hate to be ajerk but ANYTHING would be appreciated. I really am wondering if anyone had any other problems with opening like this?

[Artemis]

my advice to you is that you must remeber that this is intended to be an opener. The problem with it is that is leads to a question. The road to seduction is not paved in questions but rather in statements. Manipulate this opener into a creative statement that will hook her. You must seem spontanious.

[Affection]

Voice tone
Body language

...can't be properly taught in a book. Find a wing that can help, or take a workshop with any good PUA.

~~Affection

[HUGE AL]

It has nothing to do with WHAT you say...it's HOW you say it. You should be able to open with anything. (credit: Lovedrop)

[NiteTime78]

Stander, you should proud of yourself for making a change and trying in real world. I'm not a PUA, not even close, I'm a newbie too.

What Affection said is so true. I'll go even further, books teach only the bare basics. Notice how many posts are from people who've read alot of books. I've tried alot of stuff in books. Some worked and some didn't. Books certainly won't prevent mistakes, or explain why something didn't work. Girls in the real world are so random. Just a month a contant practice has told me that.

You could have said the same exact thing, the same exact way, to another girl and it would have worked. Then if you had posted that, the responses would be completey different.

Check out this post. It makes more sense to me than anything I've read here.

http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1321

[junkyfungus]

Reading is a good way to build up your knowledge, but doing it is the only way to understand the knowledge you have. Without doing it reading is waisted energy.

Great job getting out there and doing it.

[Stander]

Originally Posted by NiteTime78

Stander, you should proud of yourself for making a change and trying in real world. I'm not a PUA, not even close, I'm a newbie too.

What Affection said is so true. I'll go even further, books teach only the bare basics. Notice how many posts are from people who've read alot of books. I've tried alot of stuff in books. Some worked and some didn't. Books certainly won't prevent mistakes, or explain why something didn't work. Girls in the real world are so random. Just a month a contant practice has told me that.

You could have said the same exact thing, the same exact way, to another girl and it would have worked. Then if you had posted that, the responses would be completey different.

Check out this post. It makes more sense to me than anything I've read here.

http://www.venusianarts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1321

ITs interesting because watching clips of Mystery or Style they don't seem any different than anyone else when they say these things, openers, negs, qualifiers etc. Which is what gives me confidence but part of why I question this is that I keep seeing clips of Style and hearing him saying that if you use an opener, you will pretty much be fine. However, an opinion opener never seems to come naturally out of my mouth. Guys I appreciate this. I've got to find guys to sarge with in NYC until I can afford a bootcamp.

[cc0marti]

I agree with the rest. Practicing and learning from your mistakes is the best. Finding your own style and what works for you. You probably did these things but I will mention them anyway:
1. Approach from the side as if you are walking by and thought of your opener spontaneously. 2. Hollar at your friend to see if he needs a beer right in front of the girls so he is already part of your relationship with them (When you say "see that guy..penguin" there won't be an awkward pause because they were already looking at him) 3. Dirty - When i yell across bars I also make up girls I am with because guys with girls are less intimidating even if they don't exist "Joe, see if sarah and megan need beers...hey do you see that guy." 4. Lastly, i have had some success opening with things that are occuring in bars. I make positive comments about the bar, music, atmosphere, which leads in to a question about other bars that they know of in the area that are like this one. 5. I start naming bars in other cities that I like which leads to them saying where they are from, etc, etc. 6. Once they start spewing stories about home and bars I will point/touch their forearm/wrist area everytime I use the word "you" in a question or statement. Hope this helps.

[Intrigue]

I think that Mystery video of him opening a set is brilliant. What he says is really the least important part of it all. He delivers the opener and then IMMEDIATELY leaves the set...sort of. On top of that he's opening a set completely on the other side of the room which would be a difficult manuever. Watch that video and it should help a bit.

I've lately had a ton of luck with "How tall are you?" opener. Also I like to use situational openers then immediately transition to another opener. Like asking someone in a deli how the food is there then transitioning into whatever opener you're gonna use. One of my recent openers a friend and I came up with is "Hey listen i'm throwing a birthday party for my best friend and I'm trying to find out about booze cruises, know anything?" Even if they don't know anything it usually piques interest. Right away you're DHV'ing in the opener. You've got friends and you do cool interesting shit. JG, and 80's dogs don't really DHV as much as this one.