Dream Reviews (cumulative)

[dannysnightout]

What a weekend this was, deffinitly one ill never forget!

Quick backround... About a month ago I found the U21L website, forum,convention, and heard about the bootcamps. Still being pretty new to the community, I decided it was time to take care of this part of my life. So I messaged Dream and set a date for a bootcamp.

Fast foward to 11/9/07

So I arrive at PO at about 7:30 or so and meet Dream. We introduce ourselves, and talk a little bit before the seminar.

The seminar started about 9 or so, and Dream started off with the awesome slideshow . Then we went over the the day 1 notes. Ratisse was getting ready to head out, but took a few mins to give out a few helpful pointers on what we were goin over. One thing I have to say about these guys is that they really know what there talking about and communicate it very well. We finish up the day one notes, so me and Dream head out to a local bar called the Library.

Dream demoed some sets at first, then started winging me in and then finally pushing me out on my own while he observed and critiqued everything I was doing. He pointed out a lot of things I was doing wrong and how to fix them. Gradually sets started going better and better. Its funny how the smallest thing that you would think is completely taboo can totally make or break how the set will go. So after we got back to PO he had me write down some questions for the morning afters review.

11/10/07

We start reviewing the previous night,then Dream did a day game seminar. We hit up the mall and there weren't many sets, or as Mystery would say, it wasn't very target rich.

We opened just about every set we could that was legal, and again Dream was very good at finding and pointing out the subtle things that can make or break the interaction. So we get back to PO and go over everything, then chill a little bit before the day 2 seminar.(this is were I learned Mario Soccer is the coolest game in the world!! lol)

Now for the main event... THE NUTS AND BOLTS SEMINAR$$$(capitalized with dollar signs because this seminar was MONEY!!) to put simply, the nuts and bolts seminar alone was well worth the price tag.

So Dream starts the seminar, going over all the notes and doing a q&a with me. Ratisse chimes in from time to time and then Dream and I finish up and head out to a club called Roxys.(FR comming soon )

So we go into Roxys, and again Dream wings me but is for the most part observing and critiquing. I know I said it before, but Dream really has a good eye pointing out mistakes and puts things in a way that not only you understand what your doing wrong but how to correct it.

11/11/07

Woke up in the morning and reviewed the entire weekend. Dream pointed out what I was doing good and what I improved on and what I need to work on.

I'd like to thank the entire U21L crew for being so hospitable and helpful. Dream was an awesome teacher and I highly recomend the bootcamps, it was an experience ill never forget!

-Danny-

[Changes]

Sounds good. I've really been wondering about this program. I live in Canada Ontario. So the decision to go all the way to Orlando is not a small one. You may have bolsetered my faith a little more

[dannysnightout]

Originally Posted by Pirate Captain

Sounds good. I've really been wondering about this program. I live in Canada Ontario. So the decision to go all the way to Orlando is not a small one. You may have bolsetered my faith a little more

Deffinitly worth it!!

[Dream]

Yeah...I'm so bumpin this =)

Danny give me a ring when you read this bro, its been a while

-Dream

[Dream]

The Dream Way Review

Most pick-up community ebooks are written by self-proclaimed gurus who dole out strategies and tactics. I have tried their tactics, routines, lines, and done dozens of awkward things while “sarging”, and I’m not saying those things don’t have their place and purpose (mainly pushing guys out of their comfort zones). Other “gurus” were guys who were good with women before they joined the community.

Dream was not one of those guys. He worked his butt off to get good at this and his hard work has paid off. As you will soon read, this book is the story of how an average kid transformed himself into one of the best, if not the best under-21 pick-up artist.

What I didn’t know was how to take the next step after approaching women, being attractive, and holding a conversation, but before I got to almost three years of field-tested theory, tips, and other goodies which answered almost all of the questions I had, I read his personal story, which is included in the beginning of the book. That alone adds so much perspective and reference points that I could relate to, making it very easy for me to pick out where I was along the path to becoming great with women.

This is a must read for any guy who is serious about taking things to the next level.

-Homerunking

Here's the link: http://thedreamlounge.blogspot.com/2...way-lives.html

[Slick]

You felt you needed to hack dream's account and post this?

Anyways, i want a review on this book before i put forward
$42 (more than david deangelo's double your dating ebook)
to purchase it.

[Dream]

Originally Posted by Slick

You felt you needed to hack dream's account and post this?

Homerunking doesn´t post on this forum so I cut and pasted it with his permission.

thanks for your interest

Dream

[Dream]

The Dream Way is one part inspiration, one part instruction, and pure value. The catch is that this value is largely targeted at a very specific skill set within the broader skill set of getting good with women. This book is about cutting the crap and getting to the core – in one section, Dream talks about what he calls ninja skills, or skills that seem cool and important on paper, but in reality, virtually never has a place. For instance, you will hardly ever find a need to AMOG anyone, and if you do, such occurrences are so rare, it is easy and more conducive to simply lose the set and open a new one. This book won’t teach you these super ninja tactics that helps in less than 1% of your interactions, but instead, puts the whole system in perspective. It helps you set your priorities straight.

Dream’s book is more of an in-depth analysis of a belief system rather than pure how-to. His book strives to eliminate limiting beliefs, encourage a hard look at yourself to realize what is internally holding you back, then zooming into the one area that, as he claims, seems to be left out of all other guru’s teachings – logistics (the handling of getting a girl isolated to your place to sex, all without triggering ASD or LMR or at least figuring out how to handle such resistance).

Perhaps the biggest difference between this book and others is that Dream incorporates himself into his work. It’s raw, uncensored Dream. It’s infused with personal anecdotes, pains, triumphs, key ah-ha or eureka moments, and LR/FRs. These give it a much needed human quality that lets you know, this is possible, this is worth it. Because of this human touch, the mountains of tough love in the form of bold statements that may shake your entire reality and inner mentality are easier to digest.

The organization is very straightforward and logical. He starts with a painful personal story that catapulted him to his PU journey. This story hits home in so many aspects. He reveals embarrassment, humiliation, hurt, and ego-bashing. This book is a bit like an autobiography, painting a vivid picture. It’s a more down to earth version of Style’s The Game in many ways. Never having been a famous writer travelling with rock stars and constantly thrown in the way of glamorous Hollywood, Dream tells his story of an average guy (actually, probably worse than average) to who he has worked hard to become today.

Following his personal story, he jumps into breaking down your limiting beliefs by asking you to take a good look at yourself. He poses a series of questions that drives home because the first step of healing or changing is to admit you have a problem. He expertly talks about focus, the positive, and other more abstract concepts. Fortunately, he escapes the problem other more abstract talking gurus face – by being abstract, you are by definition not being specific. Dream gives you specific personal stories to exemplify his belief system in action, manifested in the way he interacts with girls.

Finally, he gets to the how-to portion. He breaks logistics down into two categories – micro and macro. Micro are things that are not as crucial, and are more specific tasks that if handled will help facilitate a good interaction. Macro are things that cannot be overlooking in managing logistics, such as finding out where she lives and her transportation arrangements. Dream covers both in some detail, but I would have liked to see an even more specific rundown of these concepts.

One thing this book assumes is that you are able to get attraction decently easily, meaning this is not a comprehensive book. It will serve well for a group of guys on a specific step in the journey, but for beginners, there is a lot of other things that is actually more crucial than the focus of The Dream Way. Dream touches on these fundamentals, but as he clearly states, it is by no means the focus.

Dream lists a plethora of excuses, reasons, and tactics to facilitate certain advances during late game. Some of these are very creative, but for the most part, I found them to be floating around the community forums and other manuals. It’s not mind blowing, but it is helpful. I will be referring to these lists in the future.

He also has a bag of goodies that talk about deeper, and also more abstract concepts such as value alignment and personality alignment. They feel more like food for thought rather than detailed discussion of the concepts. That’s fine, but it still could have benefited from more specific discussion and concrete examples.

All in all, it’s a tremendous effort, but for me, the real value was seeing Dream’s personality shine through. The how-to was informative, but not something I haven’t already heard for the most part. This is largely because I have spent a week living with him and hearing many ideas from some of his mentors at the Under 21 Convention 2007. If you weren’t there, this book will reveal so many ideas you probably have not heard of, things that classic manuals such as the VAH, Magic Bullets, and others do not mention simply because they are too focused on the overall structure.

Dream’s book is an effort at a specific skill set of managing logistics, and for that, it is solid. He draws from and gives credit to many of his friends and mentors in this book, and in many ways, The Dream Way is a compilation of various bits of advice from a bunch of strong PUAs organized in a personal, easy-to-read way. The tone is friendly and causal, but the topic is serious. It’s a quick read littered with pieces of gold, so it’s worth the small investment. Just don’t be expecting a reworking of an entire pick up structure. The Dream Way is a look into game as Dream understands it, and it’s pretty good.

-PradaG

[Dream]

I had never been on a vacation alone. I had never, without the support or company of my friends or family, traveled anywhere outside of a few hours’ drive away. Three days of seminar, four nights out, forty pages of notes and about fifty sets later, I’ve managed this small step toward greater independence and arrived back in Portland. This is my story, my impressions, and everything you could possibly want to know about the 2008 Under 21 Convention, hosted by Dream.

Day 1

I arrived at the hotel about an hour before the convention began and slowly people began gravitating toward the lobby. Sitting down on a couch, reading through the paper, I was approached by what had to be a PUA. Leather wrist band, affliction style t-shirt, cool jeans, it’s the look I’ve come to associate with players. He oozes charisma, and it only takes a few sentences before I have the idea firmly planted in my head that this guy most definitely gets laid. I breathe a silent sigh of relief that there are legitimately cool guys coming to the convention.
Shortly thereafter I stopped a dude about my height who I noticed was wearing a convention badge, though I neglected to read what it said, “Hey man, are they going to have a problem with me bringing in my backpack?”
He cracks a small smile and tells me in a voice that he somehow managed to infuse with the feeling of laughter without actually laughing, “I dunno…is there a bomb in it?” For some reason I’m so caught off guard by his easy wit that I answer dumbly “nope!” and he tells me he’s sure it’s fine. Something about the guy totally won me over in those few seconds of talking.
I walk into the convention hall, pushing to the back of my mind questions of my own sexuality as a bearded Dream approaches me and calls for water. Oh wait, he was just saying my name. We greet and talk briefly before I take my seat and prepare for the presentations…

Dream Part 1

Following the opening and a brief recap of his last year’s speech, Dream began his real speech. I was impressed by the improved demeanor and relaxed state (though a bit too relaxed and conversational at times) he was able to maintain while up on stage, definitely a big shift from last year. Also, as Dream spoke he laid bare the truth on the ups and downs of his personal development while giving tips on how to create discipline in getting your life/pickup handled and what pitfalls to avoid, such as becoming so focused on pickup that you forsake all other avenues of your life. At the last minute in response to some chatter going around on my end of the crowd, Dream gave some tips on going out alone, which is an idea that chills me to my soul to this day. After some final advice on emotional stability and mastery, Dream set the stage and introduced the next speaker…

Braddock

Prior to the convention I had never heard of Braddock, though the “buzz” (watch the speech) surrounding him was that he’s a pretty big deal. He came up incredibly confident, although he powered through his speech due to time constraints. Braddock spoke about college game. He didn’t just speak about it, he outlined exactly the who, what, how, when, and why of the entire process of becoming the king of your campus. He even went so far as to explain a technique for pulling a two set back to your house that, by the time I had finished sketching out my interpretation of it, looked somewhat like a diagram of a football play. Although a lot of the speech was centered on the idea of there being frat houses at your school, the major concepts are applicable anywhere. Straight money.

Heartwork

Oh hey, that’s the guy who asked about me bringing a bomb in my bag. Heartwork comes off as an extremely positive, carefree, and just straight fun guy to hang around with. Not to mention incredibly intelligent, skilled, and knowledgeable in his area of expertise. I had the pleasure of seeing him work in field, the dude is legit.
Heartwork opened with a short segment on how to learn the game properly with his idea of Goal Centric Training. He then moved into a fairly detailed section on Shaping (the ability to make people behave the way you want in your presence) and its uses, followed by the most easy to use system of rules for cold reading I’ve ever heard anywhere in the community (who knew the word ‘sometimes’ was so useful). A little more on shaping, how to reward your girl, some practical tips and techniques, and it was onto the next speaker…

Zebra

Huh, imagine that. The guy who came up to talk to me while I was reading was actually speaking at the convention. The Tetris block comment about coming from Sweden falls into place. Zebra was, in my opinion, THE most surprising speaker at this year’s convention. In addition to presenting incredible amounts of valuable information, Zebra is an incredibly dynamic speaker. The energy, certainty and skill that came out in his presentation projected exactly the type of personality that bespeaks of true self-esteem and confidence. He laid out what he considered the three most important things to take care of before anything else when deciding to learn game; getting leverage on yourself, setting goals, and becoming conscious of yourself and how you see women. On the more practical end of the spectrum, he talked about his personal love of spewing out emotional nonsense at women (“I’m gunna put you in a box!”), an exercise on how to get good at this, the truth about having people JUST talking and laughing with you and doing nothing with it, and what I considered to be just straight funny stories:
Zebra: Their friends are here, what do we do now?
Friend: Uhh I dunno…wait until they’re done?
Zebra: Fuck no! Bust in and talk LOUDER!


Day 2

Downtown Orlando has some incredible nightlife, though I missed out on my chance to singe karaoke. Next year!

Dream (Part 2) and HomeRunKing

These two took the stage to open up the second day of the convention and spoke about vitality, health, and fitness. There was a fair bit of valuable information in the speech, but it was hard to grasp as much of it challenged almost every long held belief about eating and what to eat that I (and many other convention attendees) hold. At times it felt more like conspiracy theory than legitimate information, but despite this I managed to take some serious notes and will be attempting to go 3-4 weeks without milk products to put Dream to the test on his assertion that much of what goes into milk is basically glue.

Sinn

My hand hurt after this one. A lot. Sinn’s speech was incredibly fluid and jam packed with information. My six pages of notes boil down basically to Sinn’s model of how social interaction works, some of his philosophy “bottom line, you wanna get laid, who gives a fuck about how you do it,” the components within the model (types of comfort, qualification, and attraction), ideas on framing, beliefs, practical tips and uses, and even some stripper game. Sinn also took some time to warn all the newbies about the dangers of becoming an under 21 pickup artist. I’m sure some of the guys tuned this out, but having only a month or so before his speech discovered in myself one of the key pitfalls he outlined, I think it was a well warranted warning.


Ratisse

Ratisse genuinely looks like an unapproachable badass. His style of game and absurd number of f-closes seems to reflect this. Having spent some time taking a break and talking with him at House of Blues, I can say that Ratisse is genuinely a cool, grounded dude, who has the drive and motives of a true teacher. He spoke in large part about text game and his particular take on it, as well as sexual priming which is basically “a smart and efficient way to know where you are” or as Sinn would say “blow me or blow me out.” This, coupled with Zebra’s speech, helped me to flip the switch inside me that says “fuck it” and just go for broke if I find myself in the 20 minute set to nowhere. He also spoke a little bit on endgame and dealing with LMR. My one criticism was that he kept his notes on his cell phone, which made it look like he was answering texts during his speech. Value packed speech, very relaxed demeanor, incredibly skilled PUA.

Nautilus and Right Hand Man

Nautilus was a returning speaker from last year, and with his partner Right Hand Man, they gave a speech on a very different style of game. They spoke on Inner and Outer game, and their idea and beliefs that one should never chase a girl, ever. This includes asking for phone numbers and at times sexually escalating. If the girls on the presentation screen are actually some of Nautilus’ exs, then he is definitely onto something. They warned that their style is incredibly easy and simple to follow, though it is hard for me to break all my old patterns and start over with such a radically different method of game. Their confidence and stage presence definitely lends credibility to them however.


AFC Adam

Just. Straight. Wow. Watch the video. Seriously, watch it. This guy has to be seen or better yet, experienced, to believe. In short, he talked about the three things that every guy who is good with women has: Confidence, Abundance, and the Ability to Sexually Escalate, and ways to improve all of these. The man is so positive and giving and such a personality that…words fail to describe. Watch watch watch!!!

With day two wrapped up, that only left one more day, and with such extraordinary speakers, day three would be hard pressed to live up to the rapidly rising bar, even with my favorite speaker from last year taking a two hour chunk.

Day 3

Dream Part 3

Dream opened up the final day with a Q&A of questions that he took from the forum. It is difficult to describe this without reproducing every question here, but basically it involved some tips on pulling, beliefs, Dream’s pyramid of reasons for being out at night (which is deceptively simple, yet profoundly powerful), and more valuable information on mastering your emotions (pleasure pain principle) and leadership.

Mehow

Returning once again, one of the top PUA’s in the community came to reveal some of his newest theories and technology. Though he was still an amazing speaker with invaluable information, there seemed to be a dark cloud or some bad mood hovering over Mehow, so props to him for getting through the presentation anyway and doing an awesome job. He spoke on his idea of group attraction while breaking down a video demonstration of it in action, and also his new form of teaching via ebook, called DNA. I don’t remember what it stands for, but it in essence tells you exactly how to deliver a line, from tonality, to speed, to what you should be doing with your hands, so that guys don’t spend months repeating a line and saying it wrong over and over again. He also introduced the idea of solo winging and some tactics with wings. Mehow proved once again that he doesn’t mess around. He delivers.

Manwhore

Wow. For me personally, Manwhore’s speech hit right on the money with the type of information that I think more guys need to absorb and understand in the community. He spoke massively on the idea of presence, dominance, leadership, limiting beliefs and other profound inner game topics. I particularly loved his metaphor for game, “Inner game is the language of social interaction. Once you get it dialed, outer game is just the pronunciation of the words.” And of course, he wasn’t without his out of control stories and as-repeatable-as-schwarzenegger one liners such as, “If I wanted you to be the measure of my balls, I would put them in your mouth.” I was disappointed that a lot of the guys didn’t get as much out of his speech as I did, as I think this kind of thing is really all you need if you understand it and embody it. I’ll be listening to the audio over and over between now and the 2009 convention, where I hope Manwhore will return to speak again.

El Topo, Doc Holliday, and Entropy

El Topo is an interesting guy. He has a sense of humor unlike anybody I’ve ever seen, and is absolutely hilarious. He spoke about his RedStack concepts and was creating custom material for any guy who had the balls to raise his hand and call out answers to his questions. He also gave some tips on how to improve delivery and your overall skill.

Doc Holliday, forgive me, does not look like the kind of guy who pulls. Looks can be deceiving. Meeting him, he is a very chill cool guy. Seeing him in the field, he’s deadly. He spoke briefly on daygame and gave a quick model to follow for a specific scenario, from open to getting a solid phone number.

I didn’t write much down about Entropy, I don’t think he spoke much, but I did have the opportunity to talk with him out in field, see him critique one guy’s set, and get some feedback on a set I had just run. Really chill guy, very honest, and really made me feel like he enjoyed giving me feedback on my situation and was in no way grudging about taking time to talk with a humble noob.

Libido

Libido spoke briefly on relationships and keeping sex interesting. I saw him at House of Blues the Sunday before I flew out, and oh my god. This guy is a beast. Read some of his LR’s that he posted up. He had a method of opening that got girls instantly investing in him that I’ve never even heard of before, let alone seen work. Just wow. My jaw dropped watching him in action.

In Depth Q&A

Too much to go over here. Every remaining speaker got on stage and fielded questions from the audience. Very valuable time, I wish I could have thought of a question. I also heard the first “whispers” of the soon to be infamous ‘Circle of OI!’ routine. The most devastatingly effective routine available in the community, probably that ever WILL be available. I’m still waiting on the video, though I participated in a Group of OI at HOB. I hit state instantly.


The Last Word

Top notch speakers, and according to Dream over 22 hours of seminar footage. This really is the best quality event/product available to the community. For $100 you get what would normally cost you upward of $2000, not to mention the numerous discounts offered by some of the speakers who were providing workshops and bootcamps as well. The 2008 Under 21 Convention was a sight to behold and an experience that I won’t soon forget. Most guys have never had the opportunity to take in such a large amount of information and then CONSISTENTLY put it into practice, each night. I never even mentioned the approach a thon where more experienced guys help noobs get some approaches under their belt. It’s like a free bootcamp. Also, each of the speakers took enormous efforts to answer questions from the audience and make themselves available during the convention (and even in field a bit) to talk with about game or just to shoot the shit. Phenomenal. Does it get any better than this? Probably not. I’m reserving my ticket to next years convention ASAP, I wouldn’t miss this for the world.

Are you ever going to be finished with women in your life? No. It doesn’t matter how old you are. The Under 21 Convention is the most underrated, highest quality experience that, if you’re willing to commit to it, will take you places you never thought possible. See you in 2009.

-Dasani

[Dream]

*from welldawg


This is a review of The Morning After Weekend workshop that I did with Dream in July of 2008.

To give you guys a little background, I did Mystery's Chicago superconference workshop back during the end of 2007. I dished out a couple thousand for the opportunity to learn from Mystery & Matador and go out sarging with them. The result: total waste of money. To me Mystery's and Matador's game is celebrity game due to their exposure of the Pickup Artist show on VH1. When we went out to the club people would come up to them since they already has social value from their show. I feel it didn't really relate well to us average joe's because we don't already have that "celebrity" status.

Back to Dream's workshop. It was 3 days & 2 nights of personal 1-on-1 attention that focused exclusively on my game and what I needed to do to improve. The value I got from the workshop easily exceeded the cost of the workshop, which was very, very affordable to begin with. In my opinion this was the best money I have ever spent on PUA. We went out sarging at night and discussed different aspects of pickup and had some pretty mind-blowing conversations. In addition we talked about health, vitality, women, life goals, and other non-pickup related topics. A big concept Dream has is that he believes in being well-rounded and leading a balanced lifestyle. He is always trying to improve himself in the different facets of his life, whether its fitness, eating healthy, improving his social skills with girls, etc. This rubbed off on me and now I feel I am now a better "man" overall for addressing these areas and making the effort to improve myself.

The first night that I arrived Dream picked me up at the airport and we proceeded to dive right in to pickup theory and my experience in the game. We outlined some short, medium, and long term goals for the weekend and beyond. Homerunking came over and joined in our discussion for a while, then we headed out to a local UCF bar named Touchdown's.

Got to Touchdowns and waited in line since the place was at capacity. Dream immediately opens a set to our right by commenting on how one girl is standing with her arms crossed and looks pissed. Homerunking starts talking to another girl who ended up had actually went to school with him when he was younger. Got into the place and scoped it out. I opened a 3 set hovering around the bar who I had seen earlier. I address all three for a few minutes, get them into me and then Dream comes in to wing and starts talking to one. So I have 2 girls in my set, one is a HB8 and the other is a HB5. The HB8 is totally giving me buying signals, asking where I'm from, what I'm doing down in Orlando, etc. At the same time Dream is doing "mini-venue" changing by grabbing a chair and sitting down in it about 5 feet from where we're at so we all slowly move over to him. This was key as he explained to me later it was a venue change (even if only 5 feet) and showed he was in control as he sat down and "locked in" while the rest of us were standing around him. Continue to talk to the girls while Homerunking is chatting up a HB8 nearby, that dude's game screams not needy and the girl totally ate it up. They end up talking all night.

After a while Dream and I head to the dance floor and dance with the girls. I end up getting a kiss close before they leave and we both get numbers. Chilled at Touchdowns until close and opened a few other sets. At one point in the night Dream starts to dance by himself in place; he doesn't care who sees him, he's just having a good time. When you see someone dancing by them self all you can do is laugh and you instantly realize that person is having fun and is totally comfortable. This was one of those mind-blowing moments for me as it totally takes any social pressure off any situation.

The next day Dream and I discuss pickup and have yet more mind-blowing conversations. Later that night Homerunking comes over and we head out to a country line-dancing bar named Cowboys. Open a few sets here and there. Dream is chatting up everybody, including an older lady sitting at a table by herself. His philosophy is to "be" instead of "do", aka he is social because that is who he is instead of what he does. He opened that lady because he is a social person, no matter if you're an older lady or a HB10 or a set of 2 dudes. This is key and something I am trying to model in my life as well. Later that night a drunk mom and her sober HB8 daughter open me up near the dance floor. We chat them up and Dream ends up getting the girl's facebook info. He tells her to "reach out" to him, displaying his non-needy attitude. Watching him work in field is awesome. Dream pushes me to open more sets by myself and gives me critiques afterwards. I open a 2 set of girls standing by themselves who totally give me the cold shoulder. I plow through and keep going. A dude comes over into the set and I immediately acknowledge him without thinking. Keep going with the set till they leave a few minutes later. One girl opens up to me right before they leave and initiates a high-five as she walks off, a total 180 from before. Dream gave me some great feedback on my body language and how the set went from his point-of-view.

Sunday we chat some more before my flight out. Dream types me up a 3 page report to take with me that addresses my game and what I should work on in the future (talk about personalized attention), totally unexpected.

Conclusion: If you have never done a bootcamp I highly recommend Dream's Morning After Workshop. If you are a beginner or have been in the community for a while you will still leave the workshop with a lot of valuable information. Dream is an asset to the community and the Under 21 convention he put together was awesome as well. Guys, this is the best value for the money,5 out of 5 stars, you will not be disappointed.