I'm doing something right, but also doing something seriously wrong. (HB9)

[john86]

I went out with a HB9 today. Had to pick her up, so gaming while driving was somewhat of a challenge.

I followed this procedure.
1) Opening
2) Neg
3) DHV
4) Neg
5) Kino (Thumb wrestling)
5.1) Lying Game
5.2) Subtle neg
5.3) Roller Coaster Game (I did not reveal what it meant until A3)
6) DHV
Transitioned to A3
7) Asked 3 things about her
8) Neg (she feels like a little sister)
9) Did the Genie routine (if a genie should up, etc)
10) Told her that I was beginning to feel kind of anxious around her
11) Did not proceed because she did not give me that much IOIs and there
12) Tried to do the Kiss Game but it really didn't seem like she wanted to kiss me, at all. She said she wanted to go home, I gave her a hug and tried to escalate again, but she said she wanted to go home. I said ok and drove her home.


Notes:

• She's 18 years old, I'm a little older (26).
• I did a lot of kino, she did not return any kino at all (when I squeezed her hands she did not squeeze back).
• We held hands briefly, but she started to sweat a lot and I could tell she was getting a little uncomfortable.
• She wouldn't stop gromming her hair, from the moment I saw her to the moment I dropped her at her home. This would usually mean good IOI, but I'm not so sure.
• She was very timid, she would blush a lot.
• There was a group of people having fun beside us at the cafe. I noticed how dull was our energy level compared to the energy level of that group having fun.
• During the car trip conversation went dry very quickly and she revived it by talking about her home town.

She said how she really liked my games and that it was fun. I basically kept her entertained. I was very confused that she didn't wanted to kiss me because she IOI'd a lot with her hair. I was also upset because she didn't initiate any kino.

Onto my questions:
1) Should I message her or wait for her to message me?
2) Can it still happen?

Any opinions?

[Divergence]

In my opinion you've left it too late to enter a sexual frame;

"she feels like a little sister", you're already on a date, why false disqualify?
"I basically kept her entertained"

These things and the lack of any returned kino point towards being friend zoned.

Being younger she might be naive and not understand that a guy taking a girl out is in itself an expression of sexual interest.

I think you need to drop in some sexual statements e.g;
"You act all innocent but I know it's all an act, what are you really like?"
"I'm a very sexual person, I don't apologize for that."

Just my 2cents
-D

[amirP02141]

Originally Posted by Divergence

In my opinion you've left it too late to enter a sexual frame;

"she feels like a little sister", you're already on a date, why false disqualify?
"I basically kept her entertained"

These things and the lack of any returned kino point towards being friend zoned.

Being younger she might be naive and not understand that a guy taking a girl out is in itself an expression of sexual interest.

I think you need to drop in some sexual statements e.g;
"You act all innocent but I know it's all an act, what are you really like?"
"I'm a very sexual person, I don't apologize for that."

Just my 2cents
-D

I don't think her age was a factor, most girls understand that a guy taking a girl out is an expression of sexual interest...hell most women say guys only want one thing...that is definitely an indicator that she knew what was on his mind.

I do agree that the whole "basically kept her entertained" doesn't lend itself towards any action so I would just move on.

[john86]

Well, turns out she kept texting me saying I was cute, I'm a completely noob at text game. I tried to manage as best as I could.

During the week, I scheduled a date for 8 PM yesterday via text message (don't know if it was the right move).

Here's how the SMS went on the "date day" though:

4:39PM - HB9: "Good afternoon, today (Friday) I'll have an unexpected meeting, can we go out tomorrow? (Saturday)"

*Waited a few hours*

7:20PM - Me: "No problem, but tomorrow I'm busy. Another day then... maybe Sunday."

11:01PM - HB9: "Sorry, sorry, sorry! Just got out of the meeting, it was completely unexpected, I didn't know. I don't usually do this kind of thing. I'm truly sorry."

I did not answer yet, planning on calling her Sunday afternoon to know whether she wanna go out.