Keep it up
Arkangel, i've been following this post every step of the way.
thanks for keeping this journal. you better print this out and slap it in your diary for your kids to read one day.
you're going to get this. and be dating some of the hottest/fittest girls in town.
KEEP IT UP.
and thanks for writing this man! and thanks for staying so damn persistent.
-Been handling the game so long my thumbs bruised (2003-present)
from hell" one day, but surely I want to try my best.
And thanks for the props diablo, where the "hell" have you been lately?!
I would surely like to go to the gym more often and try my luck....
and my game more of course but since
I'm looking for a job right now and doing lots of errands I don't
have enough time lately to explore this venue as much as I'd like.
My plan right now is to go to the group classes since many of the girls
who attend one time, usually go there the next class so you kinda
get an opportunity to relate to them in some manner and also, I've
seen there is not much competition. They are mostly girls, who attend
these classes, and few guys, half of them are older so you don't expect
them to be any threat.
I was thinking, since one of the hotter girls stepped out in the
middle of class the
other day, to leave the class along with her and tell her: Did you feel that
too? The lady right next to me just is doing some pretty nasty things back there!!
NOt the best topic to start a convo but it could be funny :P and you can
always go back to the class if things don't go well
I'll keep you guys updated.
Wed 25th Approaching the finest girls in the club
So it happens that I had too many things to do today so I got to the gym
very late, about 9:30. I just came back and posting so that I don't forget
Once I entered the gym, my HB_blonde was there at the front desk
taking a phone call, there was a guy(or gay either one! :P) there with
her and he checked on me to see if my bar code passed. It didnt the 1st
time but it did the second. HB_blonde noticed me and turned her gaze
at me and greeted me, quite attentively I have to say.
I immediately went to the cinema to see what movie they had and get
warmed up. For some reason I was feeling really energized after having
felt a big energy slump late in the afternoon for being too much time
in front of my computer which made me get a good nap.
After about 5 min I went to the front desk and leaned towards it,
the person nearest to my spot was the guy, so I thought he would
attend me but "lo and behold", HB_blonde saw me and anticipated the
guy. I thought of going straight to my concern but I though:
To hell with that, I'm gonna try and chat her up first.
So it went kinda like this>>>
ark: HEy there, how are you "Angel voice"!?(Angel voice exaggerated a little for effect :P)
Hb_blonde: I'm doing good, and how are you?(Smily and appearing sincere)
ark: Actually I'm doing VERY good today!
I'm feeling good and .... ENERGIZED!
Hb_blonde: That's really nice
ark: Yes, you know what? It was too bad our convo got cut off last
time, I was going to talk to you about the VO industry
But perhaps we can talk about that later(when your not busy)
(guy started approaching us)
ark: Listen, I wanted to ask you a favor it's about bla bla bla
(something about one of the classes)
I didn't see her go to the changing rooms before leaving so I couldn't catch
her this time around but I'll just put her on my waiting list. I think I'm
almost IN with this set, let's just see how it turns out .
It didn't stop there today, after a while running on the treds I saw
HB gorgeous entering the gym using her usual sexy workout tights
and went straight to the stepping machines. I used the mirror to watch
her progress and moments later, the big guy I told you about came in
too and as soon as he saw her, he immediately approached her and
probably started trying to game her right there.
And this is where you can see the difference to my gym game approach
He stood there chatting her up for about 20 minutes. So, not only was
he there really late but he even procrastinated his workout for 20 more
minutes or so. I don't know if he even got the date, apparently he didn't
but it just seemed sleazy to me the way he acted.
Once he stopped sarging her, or whatever he was doing, I thought of
going in but I was in the middle of an exercise routine and she was
also wandering around so I kinda waited for the best moment.
Saw her minutes later doing the dumbells and then when she was taking
a breath and I was taking a breath too, I walked across the weight room
ark: Hey, (noticing her earphones) HELLO!!! How's it going?
hb_diamond: (turned over and kinda looked surprised by my approach)
ark: Well, listen, just wanted to come over and say hi, I was doing my
workout over there and saw you, you look like an interesting kinda person...
hb_diamond: (started to smirk... just hope she was not making
fun of me or my approach in her inside These girls just get hit on
so damn much!!!)
ark: Yes, you seem like someone I should get to know better..
(at this point she wasn't saying anything so I kinda jerked it a
lil' bit b/c of that)
You know, I've seen you a couple of times here before so I thought of
coming over and say hi
Hb_diamond: Yes, I like to work out here a lot
ark: Yes, I've seen you. You come here at the midnight owl schedule
hb_diamond: Yeah! It's usually when I'm not that busy.
ark: Me too
hb-diamond: Well, thanks for the comment and everything, but actually...
I have a boyfriend...
ark: Oh, you brought up that card already! Well I wasn't trying to
imply anything! So don't get your hopes so high young lady! :P
hb_diamond: OH, (paused as reflecting) sorry, I'm Rosa
ark: Cool, I'm the Arkangel, nice to meet you Rosa
I guess I'll see you around, I gotta get back to my routine
before I cool down too much ok?
hb_diamond: See ya!
So I went back and finished my sets. Now, reflecting on my performance
I did apply the 3s rule as much as I could trying not to interrupt her
while she was talking to one of her girl friends or while she was wandering
around, I did use the semi-fake TC but I noticed I missed usiging
several NEGs and some
more acting and adding an unpredictability factor. While approaching
her while she was almost completely alone in the dumbbells section
she saw it coming and almost knew why I was there, perhaps that's
why she was smirking at some point on my opening line.
I wasn't actually feeling nervous this time although you could
easily feel it with a girl as stunning as she is. I guess that's why
it's important to hit a couple of warm ups. Heck! you can even open
a couple of dudes and get used to interacting with new people.
But anyway I did feel her energy was pretty good, she didn't seem
bitchy at all and her answers weren't so curt as some girls may
respond to you. We did say our good byes later on so I think I'm
gonna workout with her next time I see her.
I did continue sarging after that, but I wouldn't want to make this
post any longer than it is right now and it wasn't anything worth
talking about either. Just a random comfort building conversation
with a random girl. Never works!!! :P
The GAME is always better!!! :P
Busted set and Unsatisfactory Results
Ok so this it what happened.
Today I went to the gym after hitting the tennis
courts for about 2 hours and then just took something
to drink and continued my exercising program in the
I spotted this really attractive babe walking down the
aisle the gym from the ab machines to the leg machines girls use.
I thought she kinda looked at me while I was running on the treds.
I was in the cool down phase with about 50% time left to finish but
I said to myself : "To hell with the cool down, I'll better catch her
before things change and before I think about it too much"
And so I did, approached the girl from behind and seated in the
machine next to her. My body was turned completely towards
her and I said:
ark: HI, how are you doing?
(HB_sharapova takes one earphone off)
HB_sharapova: (Expectancy look and turning her face
towards me) hi, good
ark: Cool, hey listen, I wanted to ask you...
(poof! got out of air) Oops I got out of breath here!
> I just stepped out of a tredmill back there.
ark: Yeah, so I wanted to tell you, has anyone ever
told you you look like a mini >version of Maria Sharapova by
HB_sharapova: No, first time
ark: Oh really, cuz you look to me like Maria a lot,
I mean from a far >you look a lot like her
And... Do you play tennis btw?
HB_sharapova: No... I mean yes I do play a little but
I'm like bla bla bla
(OLD HAG lady appraoches my machine and
comes busting my rythm and says)
OLD_hag: Excuse me I'm going to use that machine...
ark: (I stand up and round the girl's machine avoiding
staring at her crutch which was pretty much obvious
target to see while exercising in that machine)
ark: That's good you know, the important thing is that
you are motivated, or that you want to learn right?
ark: Well, you know what, I think your eyes are even the
same color as hers. Are they green?
(And starts closing herself to me, puts the earphone
back in her ear)
ark: And what's your name?
ark: Oh, Pam, I'm arkangel(extending my palm to her)
HB_sharapova: (giving me her hand) Oh, sorry, my hands
are all sweaty!
ark: (I realize could've negged her or teased her here but I
Oh, that's ok, I'm all sweaty too/ that' makes two of us(sth like
So, I guess I'll see you later
After that I went straight to my routine and everything
and while I was doing dumbbells she came up and kinda
took a glance at me again. I smiled to her a little bit
and then I saw she was looking for sth in the rack of
dumbbells. So I asked what she was looking for she said
a couple of 10's so I gave her the ones I was using.
She didn't want to leave me without my weights but I
insisted and she left.
I thought that she might want to keep talking to
me at first when I saw her come near but she actually went to the
stretching room away from everyone else doing dumbbells.
I thought of teasing her with : "Anything for Maria!!"
but I didn't come up with that until about 10 seconds later.
After she disappeared I kept doing my ab routines and after
a couple of minutes she came back and almost didn't take
a glance at me like ignoring me even though I smiled at her.
Finally I finished my routine and saw her crossing my path
I said sth like "Hey it's you again!" and continued walking.
She went back to do more abs and I didn some exercises that
are good for tennis so I followed her back after that and
thought of just closing the set and not letting any loose
ends. So I approached the ab machine next to her and just
spontaneously smiling at her, again kinda difficult to approach
her both times b/c I had to look for an angle where I wouldn't
see her butt, and legs too directly and boy she was smoking.
She realized I was there for her so after a couple repetitions
she took the earphone off and looked at me like: "Ok, ok
what do u want now?" Not pissed off or anything but like,
I guess he won't go away unless I talk to him.
And so I asked her if she wanted to grab a sip with me after that
and she came up with her BF card and said that it wouldn't be
right and that his BoreFriend wouldn't like the idea to which
I said it was OK that I had no expectancies anyway and that
perhaps we could do a workout together sometime. She said:
"Perhaps" And then continued her workout. I left, I got self
conscious of my body language while walking away and noticed
it could show a little phased by the outcome but I held my
head up high and tried to walk with all the poise I could muster
at that moment.
I've been fighting negative thoughts all day since not only the
set came crumbling down since the old hag crashed into it or >b/c of some
other reason but
also there weren't any other available targets as to keep plowing.
I remember I told a good friend of mine years ago about a couple of
experiences I had with women in which I would get even ice cold
rejected or gotten flakes out of sets that started out (or apparently
started out fine) and he told me "Man, you're approaching the same
girl all the time!"
ark: The same girl? what are you talking about dude?
friend: Yes, it's the same girl, these girls, these 9's and 10's
that you approach all the time, it's the same type of girl.
I bet to you that 99.99% of those girls >>HAVE A BOYFRIEND!
They'll never give you anything!
I feel kinda weird right now like a feeling of impotence and
thinking what I could have done better in the initial approach
but it doesn't seem to work. It's not a very good feeling,
it's like I'm overanalyzing this one experience and starting to
realize that what my friend told me that time could be true afterall.
I know I need to dissociate more when I get rejected or get poor results.
I don't know right now, but I think I'll be better off tomorrow.
Last edited by arkangel; 05-07-2012 at 12:54 PM. Reason: some annotations, additional details
Direct approach and Shot down! :D
So I went there today early and just started doing some tredmill to warm up and then went to the weights section and do some biceps, preachers, and some back exercises after that I went straight to the abs section and did a couple of sets. Right when I was doing one of the sets I saw HB_blonde again and getting busy with all the front desk work. After I finished I went there and saw the schedule for the cinema and some other info there. HB_Blonde was there and we saw each other and greeted. I told her I was great and to my surprise she asked me how I was doing once more, like trying to hint me she wanted to talk to me more. I got so distracted by what I was doing there that I didn't persue the convo any further. And then I saw the sign up sheet for the classes, I saw one that interested me and signed up. A big and bulky young guy came in with one of those shirts that show the arms, pits and part of the pecs and greeted HB_blonde, it seemed as if they had some kind of closeness but I couldn't figure it out and heard something that left me puzzled, sth like:
HB_blonde: Yes, I'm feeling kinda sick. My throat is sore
bulkyguy: Bla bla bla You know I love you [unintelligible]
HB_blonde: See ya
There was no kiss or anything, but perhaps b/c they're not allowed to greet anyone like that while working, who knows? It's no wonder if she's seeing someone already since I come on and off all the time and have no continuity with her. Wish I had more time sometimes...
After signing up, she gave me a pass and I left. The class was really long but upbeat. Me doing the dumbbells before that affected my ressistance there but I got through the class. While in the class I spotted a lean kinda tall brunette girl, we had EC a couple of times during the class and she was looking good.
Immediately after the class finished and we were keeping all the stuff(weights, bars, etc) I went straight up to her and opened. At that moment I just thought of going direct and didn't really care if I got rejected, it was that moment's whim. When she saw me she thought I wanted the mat she was using for the abs exercises but I went like this:
HB_cute: HI, bla bla bla
Ark: Hi, how are you!!!
Just wanted to tell you,
You're ridiculously cute!
(kinda shocked and surprised I just said that out of the blue)
ark: Yes, what's your name?
ark: Oh, Candy, that's quite an original name
Hb_cute: (wwai- wai- wait!) And what is your name?
ark: Oh, it's arkangel
It's actually my first class here, you come here often?
HB: I try to, yes
ark: Oh, that's good I'll be coming more often I think
So I guess I'll see you again!
(keeping the rest of the stuff with her...)
ark: Hey and are you grabbing a sip after this?
HB: a "sip"?
ark: I mean, are you grabbing sth to drink after this?
HB: OH!!! (Pfttt! Kinda look)
No, well, actually I have a BF
But thanks for coming over and telling me this, I really appreciated it
bla bla bla
And it went down from there, dead end approach I guess.
At one point in the beginning I was like thinking there might just be sth there
that I had a good chance with this one set(the initial EC and the initial receptiveness, the asking my name back, etc.)
but I was shot down with the BF objection again. I think I should have like continued showering her with compliments since that is what got her phased at the beginning or try sth riskier before asking her out.
Any insights here from what I've just told? Would be really helpful.
After that direct approach I thought of just going there with my HB_Blonde
again and use another direct approach and get it over with. I'm know that if I keep this up, waiting and waiting for that "perfect " opportunity and not even having a date with her, I might risk falling in love with her or some other stupidity when I should just go direct or just ask her out.
Right when I was getting there and saw her not very busy, good opportunity to sarge her, I saw the obnoxious brunette front desk girl, the one that ignored me the other day, and just cancelled the mission. GUess it'll have to wait a little longer.
"Reencounter" with crazy girl
more familiar kinda feeling because not only you go to workout
in the same gym but you also like to hang out in the same places.
Today I went there again earlier trying to see HB_blonde but unfortunately
she wasn't there so I just did my own thing with the workout and
in the last part of my workout I was doing some oblique exercises with
a weight and I was infront of one of the mirrors, when I turned left
I saw several people on the treadmills but didn't pay much importance
b/c it was like part of the exercise to look in that direction. Suddenly
I saw one of the faces phase....
It was a blonde girl whose eyes popped out upon seeing me and got like
startled, when I saw this I payed closer attention to the details of the
face I had seen from a far. It was the cheap version of Sharapova again!
She suddently stepped out of the tread and said sth to a guy beside her
and didn't come back to the machine.
Suddenly I saw myself doing some rehab exercises in the same abs
area and she came over with a couple of guys. Apparently one of
them was her borefriend and right when she walked past me I could
see and hear her whispering sth to this guy with my peripheral vision.
I heard sth like:
cheap_sharapova: "That is the guy I told you about the other day bla bla bla.."
I didn't even acknowledge her and continued as normal, suddenly I saw
tattoo_frontdesk girl running on the tread and approached her to say hi,
that way she could even see that I don't give a damn of what she thinks
and that I'm a social person who has friends in the gym too.
It is obvious that she was the one more concerned about our interaction the
other day, which I didn't even remember anymore by the fact that I
didn't notice her from a far but she did by her ridiculous and stupid reaction.
This just demonstrates what kind of sh*4 some women have running on their
heads and why it's not even worth to get to know them in the first place no
matter how hot they are or might seem they are.
Like some gurus say, if they act all bitchy or stupid in the beginning it's just
a clear sign that they are not worth getting to know better and sometimes
they're doing you a favor to find these red flags on them early on instead of
loosing your precious time.
So so far I haven't had the opportunity to see my seeds grow by seeing
the girls I've sarged in the gym outside or even in the same gym. For some
reason the hot chicks I've seen there never show up again or probably get
on another schedule. That's why I've decided to go more direct like I did in
my last report.
That's all for now, I'll try to keep you guys updated.
Stay put for my next discovery.
Last edited by arkangel; 05-11-2012 at 04:05 PM. Reason: Better redaction
Blown off once more
So what can I say? I chatted the other day with another PUA friend of mine who gave me advice on how to approach HB_blonde in order to get her number through a note. I went there, she was all alone, all smiles and good vibes as usual. I talked a bit about the previous talks we had trying to re-warm up the set. Then I gave her the note on a post-it. When she read it she said:
HB: Oooooohh!! It's so nice, but I can't give my number to anyone here(don't recall if it was anyone or people) besides, I have a BF. He's actually a staff member, he's one of the PT's. But thank you!
ark: Well, you have a boyfriend, so what does that mean that you can't have any more friends or sth?
ark: Besides, I wasn't like trying to hit on you anyway.
HB: Yeah, I know bla bla bla
ark: Well, anyway if you'd like to know more about the industry just talk to me. I'm like really soaked with the topic if you're interested.
The convo continued a little more...
All of a sudden FD_Tattoo lady showed up again not even saying hi to me. I just took it normally and greeted her as nth had happened and she just said hi like turning to me for a sec. Apparently she was all busy looking for sth and all stuck up and complaining to HB_BLonde about sth that had happened with one of the schedules, she didn't insult her, but she sounded like very rude saying bad words and everything and there I had the rest of my convo cut off.
And so I went to do my workout but decided to cut it short and called it a day.
I'm running out of options, I'm running out of time...
I have been reading your posts since the beginning and have been wondering why you never really try indirect with MM.
I have been a trainer for years and have seen countless people working out trying to hit on girls. (one even tried pickin up my client mid session...lol) I could spot a pickup mile away. If I know whats going on then the girls know whats going on. If you really understand MM and how to microcalibrate, you can get results.
Girls in the gym are there to work out. Most of them have a hard time actually getting to the gym so when they are there, I'm sure they wanna make the most out of it.
I wouldn't go for full on convo on the gym floor. As you've seen, the convos won't last & you don't wanna gain the reputation of "that guy". I currently have about 8 "that guy"s in my gym. People see them coming and run because they don't wanna be stuck in a convo while they're working on their goals.
I have some really good exercises I can tell you that will definitely make you stand out. (as long as your knee is feeling better). PM me for that. Become the "fitness guy" in the gym that everyone comes to for advice. Any health questions, PM me. You could already be getting a bad rep and not even know it.
I would definitely try going indirect. Even with something as little as "are you using this", "how many more sets" could be a start. If you see a girl doing a exercise wrong, running up to her and correcting her, because you just happened to notice her breaking her back from across the room, is soooo beta-male.
I can tell you from experience that being in your own zone, enjoying your crazy workout, and looking like your the only one in the gym will definitely get you EC from both men & woman.
Once interaction is made, DHV about fitness or your area of expertise, say "hold on one sec, my time is up", do a set, return & DHV, FTC by saying you gotta finish your workout. If you have been getting IOI's, calmly collect number to "continue the surprisingly good conversation" and roll-off.
I used MM to get my current girlfriend of 2 years. Been off the club, bar, lounge scene since then but I consider the gym, where I work, to be my social chessboard. I have a lot of insight about the gym so feel free to PM, value free of charge.
P.S. - Front desk staff = hired guns = paid to be nice. Seems like a waste of time. I call my front desk girl HB BlowEveryMember... lol
Thanks for your opinion
Hey Miracle, thx for showing up with some nice insights from a gym insider's perspective. Sometimes you can get very caught up with your own perspective and can't see other details.
And at this time I haven't gotten into full convos on the floor either. Though I know there are guys like that, like the 1 I wrote of, that buff guy who approached the Diamond_HB working out and stood there like 20 -25 minutes post poning his own workout. Which I think is very dumb or needy since he's not her BF.
I think indirect works when you're in the same activity at the same time.
I guess you can only use them to get info on the member girls, either by asking for schedules or asking them directly if they know they have BF.
I'll try to keep going see what happens.
Friday Gym Session
So I went to the gym for some weights. I saw HB_blonde again at the
front desk. As usual she was busy but took a moment to say hi and she seemed nice as always. I took the first treadmill I found and did some high intensity running to warm up for the weights.
I saw this HB across the machine section doing some dumbbells and she was looking good. I had seen her near me on one of the machines while I was doing some calf rises. I've seen this girl enter the gym with a guy before who's probably the bf so I wasn't like very motivated to sarge her.
When I saw her doing the weights, actually there were absolutely NO other girls at the gym,. just gym rats and older women. I was like : OMG she's the only woman here in this section and she's smokin' hot.
The muscular guy I saw the other day approached her to ask if she was using one of the benches and she said no. So he took it, probably he was just testing the waters b/c it's the same guy who approached Diamond_HB and chatted idly for about 20 minutes.
I watched her a couple of times asking myself what to rate her.
I was thinking to myself :
"She's a 9, she has to be a 9 at least, but hey, there's noone else to compare her to, so she could probably be a solid 8. She has 0 body fat on her waist, woah those are some wicked abs!!!"
All of a sudden she changed from doing standing dumb berlls to leaning to the bench and doing the saw motion, so I thought:
"Ok, ok, I give up, she's a 10, she's a 10!!! :'( "
And so I continued my exercises on my machines and didn't bump into her that night.
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