Value and Active Disinterest (TD)
Some thoughts - hopefully helpful despite their absurd complexity.
C&F False disqualification.
ACTUAL false disqualification.
The C&F False disqualification is like busting her on her mannerisms. "I'm
gay. This is my boyfriend. You can't to us, we're gay."
Or she's giggling, and you say "Go away! Go away!", while doing the pushaway
move that I described in the Tonguedown notes.
Or saying "I would definitely NOT get along with this chick!" while the friends
Again, this is all C&F type stuff.
It AMPLIFIES attraction at key points, because it pre-emptively disarms the
natural cutoff mechanism that girls have when they feel themselves heating up
to an uncomfortable buying temperature too quickly, before proceeding to game
OK so what's REAL false disqualification, and what is its purpose?
There exists many social SUBCOMMUNICATIONS that convey social value.
-neutral to rapport
-trying to gain rapport
This goes on in social interactions all day long. Notice that the "coolest"
people in the club venue are trying to break rapport with everyone. (They even
wear sunglasses in a dark club, to convey that they are too cool and don't want
to make eye contact with anyone).
They roll in with their Cadillac SUV, hot chicks in tow, and don't talk to
anyone in the whole club except maybe the people similar to them. YET, if they
were to approach YOU or YOUR GROUP in the club, you'd chat THEM, despite that
they'd blow you off.
You'd chat them because they have high social value in that specific venue.
People are DRAWN to interact with people of value, even if they're not
attracted. If Bill Gates wanted to chat, would I? Yes. Even if it was about
nothing that helped me whatsoever, I'd just do it for some reason.
What Style is talking about here (which is a related to stuff I've discussed
extensively on the Mystery Lounge), is that value re-adjustments may be
necessary PRIOR to gaming.
Gaming = emotionally arousing (pumping her through states in a way that keeps
her happy, aka C&F, and many other ways)
A girl can still CUT OFF who she allows to emotionally arouse her.
VALUE / ATTRACTION are DISTINCT.
Value is a FILTER to see if the girl will ALLOW you to attract her.
Think to the REVERSE.
Girls are aroused EMOTIONALLY (they purchase romance novels that are
Guys are aroused mostly VISUALLY and PHYSICALLY (they purchase porno and
A fat girl approaches me, and starts touching me. She is arousing me because
she is touching my legs with her hands. She is breathing on me. I'm feeling
myself getting hard.
Immediately I push her away from me, and CUT OFF what she is doing. Do I do
this because I am INCAPABLE of deriving some pleasure from fucking her?
Men fucked fat chicks for years, back when they were socially desirable (IOW:
HAD VALUE). There's no biological reason for me not fucking her. It's just
Similarly, girls emotionally cut off men from gaming them. They won't even
acknowledge that you exist, or if they do, what you're saying is just cute or
Again, they are of high social value, and thus exhibit this by breaking rapport
with people (both through verbal communications "why are you asking me this..
go away", and non-verbal subcommunications like turning away from you, not
matching your facial expressions or excitement levels, not being responsive to
your presence, etc)
Value is established by:
-OUTER APPEARANCE (genetics, grooming, and clothing subcommunications)
-SOCIAL PROOF (both your entourage, the level to which the surrounding women
are appearing to be unlocked to you (which is made obvious by things they
subcommunicate as you are in the area, and girls pickup on this), and the level
to which people treat you (ie: are they breaking rapport with you, being
neutral to it, or trying to gain it)
-ATTITUDE (bodylanguages and tonalities that you convey, by the words that you
say and the way that you say it, and by the people who you interact with in a
particular order and the way you interact with them)
So with girls, you can open with a NEUTRAL OPINION OPENER, and this is NOT
Hence Style's "Neg First" post.
This was derived from "JAP Busting I & II"
You must break rapport, perhaps several times, prior to gaming. Girls will not
ALLOW themselves to become emotionally heated (aka; for their buying
temperature to increase) for someone who does not pass through their filter of
So what does that amount to in practical terms? Here's an example:
TD: Hey guys, I need a female opinion.. Do girls think that the rockstar David
Bowie is hot?
HBS: I dunno..
TD: Hey, you're cool.. You guys are smart.. You're from Long Island, I can
HBS: Hey, we're not from there..
TD: Yeah OK.. ummm BYE (turns back)
TD: hahaa.. OK remain calm.. My friends little sister gets this poster of David
Bowie on her wall. That is an OLD MAN.. Do you guys like OLD MEN?!?!
HBS: Why are you asking us this?
TD: (looks at wingman like they are RETARDED and mumbles).... I'm talking.
(turns back HARD, engages other set)
HBS: What a jerk blah blah..
TD: (turns around) hahhhaa, are you guys still talking about me?? haahhaa.
HBS: No, we're just saying blah blah
TD: (now commencing NORMAL game) You guys are so cute.. You know, I'm going
to adopt you guys, you guys will be my new little sisters..
This is a VALUE ADUSTMENT. Neg first. (I'd also game a high value set
differently, but that's another story.. I'd use the same stuff, but at a
different rate, direct it at different people, and also alot less of it)
You do the SAME with UG THEORY. Try to gain rapport with them first.
Value calibrations imply rapidly ascertaining what their perceived social value
is, and matching it.
Girls are typically only inclined to allow themselves to be gamed with someone
of simliar value.
There are exceptions however.
These three things are SUBCOMMUNICATED at all times.
Some girls want guys with high value ONLY (NYC JAPs are like this,
ChickJunkie's 10$ Opener is good for girls like this, although an NYC JAP would
probably pull out her attack whistle if you tried it on them)
Some girls value TRUST, which is subcommunicated through many things. Like
when you see guys who are out with their girlfriends, and NEVER turn to face
them. The girls always have to do the initiating. Some guys telegraph this,
and it telegraphs trust. This is why simlar to girls who just want high value
guys (like NYC Jewish American Princesses), some girls want to fuck gay guys
and convert them. Queers subcommunicate feelings of trust so strong that some
girls fall in love with them instantly. Weird - ask 10 girls and 2 or 3 will
answer you this.
Some girls value ATTRACTION. These girls want the construction worker or
badboy or the prejudicial racist stereotype of black guys.
There are also piles of PROFILES for this that you can spot, and piles of
subcommunications that you can learn (think "AMOG TACTICS" post - what do the
out-alpha tactics subcommunicate, beyond their surface verbal level?)
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